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Yankees Fence in Fans during Patriotic music

Sometimes I feel myself evolving into Andy Rooney - a curmudgeon complaining about everything. Well, here I go again. What I want to whine about today is the policy of the New York Yankees during the National Anthem and God Bless America. I see in today's NY Times that the Yankees now have a strict policy of fans being forbidden to move at all during the playing of these two songs. Crossposted at MQAblog and Daily Kos

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OK let me start at the beginning. The playing of the National Anthem at the beginning of sporting events is a long held American tradition. I have no problem with it at all. I stand respectfully with my hands to my side and hat off.

So I think that the National Anthem is fine at the beginning of the game. But ever since 9-11 we now all rise to sing "God Bless America" in the 7th inning. An easier song to follow (especially after 7 innings of beer sales) the crowd usually sings along. Personally I think that we should sing God Bless America at the beginning and leave the rest of the time to sing "Take me out to the ball game" and "Charge!!". (

Every team probably has their own unique sing-a-longs. My favorite at Yankee Stadium is the song for Jorge Posada. It is difficult to write how it goes but basically it is a long chant of "hor-hay, hor hay, hor hayyyyy, jor hayyyy, hor hayyyyy". Believe me it sounds good when tens of thousands of people are cheering/singing it).

But the Yankee policy of forbidding people from making their way to the restroom or wherever during these songs is just too much. I have noticed that 90% of the people naturally stop where they are while the National Anthem plays then afterwards make their way to wherever they are going. During God Bless America there is a bit more activity as people rush between innings so they get back in time for the end of the game. Now we will not be permitted to move freely as we sing about our freedom. We will be forced to stand where we are until, under the watchful eye of security, the song stops and we are permitted to go take a pee or buy an All American hot dog. To me - it seems downright Un-American to MAKE people stand for a song. In fact, it sounds down right fascist to me.

So, I have to agree with the ACLU

"Yankee management is free to promote its brand of musical patriotism," Arthur Eisenberg, the legal director of the New York Civil Liberties Union, said in a written statement. "But we need to be wary of enforced cultural conformity and the use of a ballgame to impose political correctness on a captive audience."

Shows of patriotism, like that of religious faith, seems to have taken a strange turn during the past generation. Once a private action, recently we have been forced to publicly demonstrate our beliefs. We have had politicians build up reverence for symbols like the flag and these songs while they simultaneous remove the very freedoms the symbols once stood for! They have tried to force Christian rituals on the American people while they pursue policies which can be argued are not very Christian at all. Frankly, I think the efforts to elevate the importance of symbolism are part of a conscious plan to distract the American people from the substance of policies these politicians pursue.I personally believe that people should stand for the songs, stay still if possible and show respect for our country. But to FORCE ticket paying customers to do so is way beyond the pale. It seems pretty basic knowledge that the 1 sure fire way to make someone resent doing something (even something they would voluntarily want to do) is to mandate it.I have no problem standing still for these songs. I do have a problem being told that I must do that.

As a related issue (not sure if I wrote about it last year) is the use of military aircraft to open a baseball game after the National Anthem. During Opening Day 2006, the fighter jets buzzed the stadium so close that the noise shook the seats and the danger to fan safety seemed real. One false move, one mechanical failure and a speeding jet plows into the seats. That alone is a bad idea - never mind the symbolism of cheering an aircraft designed only to kill. During the 1st playoff game last year they also used fighter planes. I was running late for the game and was in line to get in the Stadium when the jets unexpectedly flew directly overhead. I am not exaggerating when I say that we unsuspecting fans and ticket agents all either crouched down in terror or hit the ground flat! C'mon is it really necessary to do that? That's my gripe today. Thanks for listening and GO YANKEES!

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I have no problem with the Yankee policy.....
and the military fly-overs.

You are certainly entitled to your views, but I couldn't disagree more.

Sometimes, it's a good thing to be respectful and reminded what a great country we live in because we often forget.

by anaconda on May 10, 2007 1:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank you
Thanks for your respectful disagreement. I agree we live in a great country and it is important to stop and recognize that from time to time. My gripe is the policy to station security gaurds at the Stadium to enforce that recognition. It seems at odds with the very freedoms we are stopping to appreciate. My biggest concern with the military fly overs (so very close to the top of The Stadium) is fan saftey. One loose bolt flying off those speeding jets and somebody is going to loose an eye. Any other mishap could have much worse consequences.

by MQAblog on May 10, 2007 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please
You are attempting to be funny, right?
I live in Chesapeake, VA--where everyday is a military fly over. It's also home to battleships, Apache helicopters and a veritable plethora of weapons wizardry. To date, no one has taken a bolt off the dome.

Furthermore, with jetliners (far less safe) constantly flying over Shea Stadium, I would think the odds of a big bird wiping out Shea would be far more likely than a flaming bolt flying off an FA-22 Raptor and dinging some drunk dude in the dome.

by Ronster22 on May 10, 2007 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anecdotal
I always either walk around or sit during GBA. Ever since Cheney was at a game and they showed him on the scoreboard while they played the song.

Anyway, one time some tourist complained to an usher that me and my friend were sitting. The guy wanted us thrown out. If it hadn't been the regular usher for our section I think we may have been.

On Tuesday I went to walk around and noticed a concerted effort by cops and security to block the exit to the concourse. I walked around them and they didn't say anything and I never really thought about it until now.

It's a terrible policy. I don't know who they are trying to impress keeping everyone from moving around. TV? I am more offended by the fact that they would try to artificially restrict people from moving than I would be by people actually moving. I never understood not moving during GBA anyway. The anthem I can understand, but GBA is just a song. It is like stopping people from moving around during Cotton Eye Joe.

What really pisses me off is they restrict access to Gate 2 (the closest Gate to the subway) after the game. They have gates and security setup around section 20 or so to stop people from crossing on all levels.

by tiyuri on May 10, 2007 1:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Plural of anecdote
I had a similar experience at Fenway (since that's where I go to most games because I live near there), I didn't stand during GBA and some other fan yelled something.  Of course, since I was wearing a Yankees hat I'm sure he wasn't predisposed to like me.
I don't know who raised God Bless America to the status of a second national anthem since 9/11, but it's pretty annoying- even leaving aside the politics and religion of it, it's a crappy song and there are much better patriotic songs.  Even during the real national anthem or the pledge of allegiance, you have the right to sit and keep your hat on as long as you're not disrupting other people- I don't know why some people get so mad about others not conforming.  If you want to do something, fine, but why do you care so much about what other people do if they're not interfering with your activities?

by SP on May 10, 2007 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually...
It's disrespectful to sit and not remove your cap during the National Anthem...If I saw you at Yankee stadium not remove your cap, I'd say, "Hats off!".

by danbrady143 on May 10, 2007 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes
It is disrespectful, but I also have the right to be disrespectful.  You can't physically make me remove my hat.  Yelling at other people during the national anthem is also disrespectful.  That's the problem with the no moving policy- they're physically restraining people, and it's especially annoying during GBA because 1) it's a song that some people just decided was sacred even though it has no official meaning, and 2) it's during a time when there's more reason for people to want to move around, compared to the national anthem.
Look, most people will conform because they want to be respectful- I do.  So why do you care so much about the people who choose not to, and why do we have to force people to do something against their will?

by SP on May 10, 2007 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who said anything about force?
All I said was that I would remind you to take you hat off, just like Bob Sheppard does before the National Anthem.

Where's the disrespect in that?

by danbrady143 on May 10, 2007 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't we all just get along?
I don't stand up.  You say take off your hat.  I respectfully decline.  If it stops there, we're all happy, we all have the right to act the way we have.  If we kept yelling at each other through the national anthem, that would be silly and disrespectful.
The Yankees, however, are using force (including undercover police) to make people show respect for a song.  They don't have the right to do that- they can ask people to stop walking or take off their hats, but they shouldn't be able to enforce it against someone's will.

by SP on May 10, 2007 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can I ask you a question?
Why do you want to purposely show disrespct for a country that gives you freedoms that you can't have anywhere else on the planet?

by danbrady143 on May 10, 2007 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't
I just said that I do take off my hat and stand for the national anthem.  But if someone has a reason they want to silently protest something, or if they're just lazy, that's their choice and is supposedly one of those freedoms you're talking about.
Anyway, there's a reason we avoid political discussions here.  Today's game sucked, huh?

by SP on May 10, 2007 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...
We especially shouldn't talk politics when the Yankees lose...

by danbrady143 on May 10, 2007 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

God Bless America
is not an official song of this country. It's just a song.  And what about the atheists in the crowd?  Don't they have freedom of religion?  They shouldn't be forced to adhere to something they don't believe in.

by docgonzo on May 10, 2007 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm an Atheist....
and I don't have a problem with it.

This thing is not about trying to force people to believe or not believe in a higher power.  

It is a sign of respect for this country and recognizing and acknowledging the people who have sacrificed their lives for our freedom.

This shouldn't be made into a political issue.  I just don't think it's a bad thing to be reminded of the things we as a nation take for granted at times.

by anaconda on May 10, 2007 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am all for the Yankee policy...
I wish they had Jets fly over before every game.  They're awesome!!


And, it doesn't hurt any of us to stand in reverence to God and our great country once in a while, especially at a Ball Game.  I mean, being at a Yankee game is as American as I can think of.

by danbrady143 on May 10, 2007 2:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

asdf
"It doesn't hurt any of us to stand in reverence to God"?

Are you kidding?

I believe in America. But I don't believe in God. And the great thing about America is: That's my inalienable right!! Enforcing a religious observance is just about the most un-American thing I can imagine.

Keep this crap and all politics out of the ballpark. Our entire country is terribly polarized right now, and baseball should be an oasis from that.

BTW: God Bless America has a long and sordid history of jingoism. Woody Guthrie wrote "This Land Is Your Land" in direct response to it.

by jeter girl on May 16, 2007 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stupid policy
But hey, Boss George is a big Republican. Not surprised that this kind of BS policy would be in place...although I'm not sure if it's legally enforceable (it probably isn't).

by PsiFighter37 on May 10, 2007 10:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's a shame
I agree with you and the ACLU.  The Yankees are free to express whatever patriotic fervor in whatever rituals they want, but they can't force people to comply with them.  

I personally dislike all of these rituals, mostly because they all seem to be somewhat religious to me and mention god.  However I do have patriotic feelings so I stand and act somewhat respectful during the national anthem (which is a beautiful song even if the words and notes are hard) and god bless America (which is god awful).  

God Bless America is to me a deeply annoying song, it does not represent any of my feelings about America.  I do love being an American, but there is nothing about that song that represents what I feel about it.  I think we as citizens have been granted the power in our constitution to stand beside our country, and guide it from the light of our on conscience.  The beauty of our country is that we as citizens are in charge of it, it is in our hands, not god or religion, or even the government (which is only given it's power in the constitution by its citizens.) We're allowed to disagree and bring our disagreements before the highest offices of our government.  Our discourse is what forms the basis of our governance, that is what is awesome about this country.  It's not about blessings, it's about taking responsibility.  It's not about rituals of submission, it's about actions to preserve what freedoms and ideals we have here.

I have gone to the bathroom during that song before if I needed to.  If not I stand and then sit down again without singing.  I don't feel the Yankees should compel me to behave in a particular way during these songs.

by Greenfuzz on May 10, 2007 11:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

good point
The stretch is there so you can goddamn pee without missing any of the game.  If you want to sell me a $6 soft drink, or god forbid an $8-10 beer please let me go the bathroom during the stretch.  

I also find it annoying that YES always broadcasts the observance of GBA.  Of course I fast forward over it.

by Greenfuzz on May 11, 2007 12:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not for long
I am certain there are engineers over at YES-HQ working around the clock to stop DVR's from fast forwarding or channels from changing when GBA plays. :)

by tiyuri on May 11, 2007 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

God Bless America
I find it more than a little bit ironic that the Yankees are restricting freedom during the playing of God Bless America.   Forget for a minute that god, or some idiots' beliefs that their god told them to crash planes into the WTC, is what got us into 9-11 in the first place.  

The freedoms we cherish in the United States and which we celebrate during the singing of the National Anthem, include the freedom not to sing along, the freedom to disgree, and the freedom not to believe in somebody else's god.  

Enforced singing of any song, regardless of its lyrics, is the tool of totalitarianism.    

FYI:singing ot the national anthem at ballgames dates back only to the McCarthy era, another period when fear led to forced faux patriotism.

Let's get rid of God Bless America (and the moronic Cotton-Eye Joe) and keep the seventh inning stretch for Take MeOut to the Ballgame.  The ballpark is no place for politics of any kind.

by Nettles Fan on May 15, 2007 2:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

total agreement
where the hell does Cotton Eye Joe come from?  I've no understanding of it's relationship to sports, baseball in particular and, especially New York and the north east in general.  

It's a southern sounding song with cotton as one of the themes.  I love the south, but it isn't NY, where you know there are so many cotton fields and all.

by Greenfuzz on May 16, 2007 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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