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A-Rod and the 2008 free-agent class

It's never too early to talk off-season moves here in Yankeeland, so I thought I would reference the list of potential free-agents-to-be upon completion of the 2007 MLB season.  

Kudos to MLB Trade Rumors for compiling an updated list of the 2008 free-agent class.  It's worth checking out.

More than a few Pinstripe Alley readers have suggested that the Yankees should let A-Rod walk next season and use that freed up cash for front-line starting pitching.

In theory, that doesn't sound like a bad idea except for one thing -- after Carlos Zambrano -- there are no starting pitchers on the market next off-season whom I'd be happy to fork over $15M+ the Yanks would be saving from A-Rod's potential departure.

My guess is that the bidding for Zambrano will start damn near $20M+ and it's certainly a possibility that the Cubs could sign him to a long-term deal before he has the opportunity to test the free-agent waters.  

I tend to believe Cashman has learned his lesson in regards to buying 40+ yr old pitchers to help win them a championship (okay, except for Roger Clemens) -- so you can probably cross Curt "I Hate the Yankees" Schilling, Tom Glavine, and John Smoltz from that list of possibilities as well.

Secondly, replacing A-Rod at Third Base with a solid player would be extremely difficult.  Disregarding unforeseen trade possibilities, the only Third Basemen available on the market would be Mike Lowell, Mike Lamb, and Pedro Feliz.  If these names aren't at least three damn good reasons to keep A-Rod beyond this season, I don't know what is.

Of course, Cashman's first missions at the end of the 2007 season will be to re-sign Mariano Rivera and Jorge Posada -- and I expect both to happen (given that they stay healthy this season) so they can finish their careers in pinstripes.  The Yanks could make a run at Ichiro Suzuki or Torii Hunter -- but I believe they will end up staying in Seattle and Minnesota respectively or find homes away from The Bronx.

I felt the need to address this specific topic about letting A-Rod walk in more detail given the passionate debate last week with 183 comments and illustrate the lack of options at the end of the 2007 season.   Obviously, it's not that simple to replace the greatest talent of our generation with front-line starting pitching when the market will again be so very thin -- not to mention the other extremely difficult task of replacing him at Third Base with a solid player.

Personally, I would jump at the chance to let A-Rod walk if the Yanks were guaranteed to sign Zambrano.  However, we all know that it doesn't work that way and the Yanks will likely be in a colossal dogfight with several other teams bidding for his services. 

The next best option for the rotation would probably be Mark Buehrle but I've never been a fan of his and I certainly don't think he's worth the $15M+ they would save from A-Rod's deal.

Your thoughts?

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Zambrano
The Cubs will resign him either during spring training or during the season. He doesn't sound like he wants to leave and the Cubs can offer him big bucks. Like you said, there ain't shit on the market this winter which is even more reason to try and keep A-Rod from bolting.
Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on Mar 19, 2007 8:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Yankees won't "let" him walk
It's A-Rod's decision if he walks or not.  Cashman won't even re-up Mo, there's no chance he caves in to a demand to extend A-Rod when he will have 3 years left on his mega-deal.

by onehitwonder on Mar 19, 2007 9:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Exactly
ARod has the Yanks by the nuts right now.  

It's just a question of whether or not he and Boras decide to give them a squeeze.  

Letting him go would be foolish, but I don't see ARod accepting an extension mid-season (and I also don't see the Yanks offering one), and it's hard to picture him playing out his current deal.

The Yanks history at dealing with situations like this is to not extend.  But since they'd be pretty screwed without him, they might have to break precedent here.  

by matthaggs on Mar 19, 2007 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What other options?
If A-Rod gets off to a fast start (and he must to avoid the deafening booes), I believe the Yankees brass will decide to extend him. However, Scott Boras, being the opportunistic bastard that he is, will use every possible chip he can to ring as much cash for his client as he can.

I don't know what the status is of Miguel Cabrera, but what about a mega-deal shipping A-Rod to Florida for Cabrera and Willis (I'm sure we'd have to part with some pitching--maybe Pavano and someone who can actually pitch). Maybe I'm reaching here...

by Ronster22 on Mar 19, 2007 3:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't happen
even if the Yanks included money.  Willis and Cabrera are almost too expensive for them, the Arod contract would be insane for that team.
Great Success!

by ReLaunch on Mar 19, 2007 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cabrera's going nowhere
He's the best young hitter in the league, and probably more valuable than A-Rod right now. The Marlins are building with Cabrera as their centerpiece. If they can find a league-average CF and C, they will contend next year.

If Cabrera ever gets traded, which is unlikely, it will be for prospects, and probably prospects of the Alex Gordon/Phillip Hughes-variety. There is no way the Yanks could ever trade for Cabrera.

by Willton on Mar 19, 2007 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Arod
has a no trade.
We're reaching the point where you can either be a truly dedicated, state-of-the-art fan or you can have a life. Take your pick.

by jscape2000 on Mar 19, 2007 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You serious Clark?
AROD for Cabrera and Willis?  Wow, maybe they should throw in Hanley Ramirez just for good measure.

Maybe we can swing a multi-team deal and try to get Cabrera, Willis, Pujols, Hafner, Ichiro, Felix Hernandez, and Halladay for AROD.

FLA would be crazy to deal Miggy for AROD straight up right now, nevermind with Willis.

by wellblessed on Mar 19, 2007 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He popped his cherry folks!
This is the first non-moronic post from you. Get that kid a cookie!
Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on Mar 19, 2007 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In person
do you actively spew bile when you speak?  You've had the "Offseason Asshole" locked up for three months now, save something for the regular season.
We're reaching the point where you can either be a truly dedicated, state-of-the-art fan or you can have a life. Take your pick.

by jscape2000 on Mar 19, 2007 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No
I am just as charming in person. Seriously, that comment wasn't even that bad. I was trying to give wellblessed credit for getting something right. Based upon his recent performance, that doesn't happen very often, so you have to recognize the positives when they do happen.
Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on Mar 20, 2007 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
I over reacted.  I had just read your post in the Igawa Et Al thread where you called  out somebody who wasn't even involved in that discussion.  I honestly can't keep track of who you're flaming with each week, so a lot of your comments really lose their humor.
We're reaching the point where you can either be a truly dedicated, state-of-the-art fan or you can have a life. Take your pick.

by jscape2000 on Mar 20, 2007 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wellblessed
Hold on. WellBlessed is onto something. Given his handle, I'm gonna' assume he could spearhead a tent revival, annoint some pigs, lay some hands, heal some sick, and swing a dopey, one-sided trade that pushes the Yankees over-the-top.

If Wellblessed can do this, everyone in Pinstripe Alley land would lovingly embrace him--even the prickly Pfister!

by Ronster22 on Mar 20, 2007 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he could turn Pavano
into a real backup catcher and/or a solid backup infielder, he could dunk me in a river.
Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on Mar 20, 2007 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Arod
Even though Arod was recently quoted as to his decision on whether staying with the Yanks or leaving is "up to the team and the fans", thats just a sly way of saying that if we continue to hurt his feelings for not performings he's going to go home, cry, and play for the Cubs.

As disappointing as the guy has been something tells me the second he leaves we will all regret it, especially if he succeeds with his new club as he did during his time in Seattle and Texas.  

As for all those possible mega-deals, most teams would be stupid to unload premier young talent, especially to dump payroll in a league where the amount you spend doesn't lead to any type of penalty.  

When it comes down to it I think Arod is here to stay, and unless anyone can think of a better option for third (that's realistic) I'd say we're better off.

by Market 8 Dude on Mar 20, 2007 8:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Let him go!
We've got Andy Philips at third. We're solid.
Wellblessed, you working on that miracle, or what?

by Ronster22 on Mar 20, 2007 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

AROD: Interesting Underground Website
www.projectA13.com

Check this out! I came across it last week, just after news broke about A-Rod and his Mike and the Mad Dog comments.  Mere coincidence?  Either way, it might have a chance if enough Yankee fans really want A-Rod to stay.

by twojax21 on Mar 20, 2007 2:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow
Who wrote that Arod's mom?

I just ate lunch, that was tough to get through.  

There's more spin on that site than on a ball off Tiger's sand wedge.

by matthaggs on Mar 20, 2007 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blog Under Construction...
Kinda' like Arod's psyche.
I'm sorry. I can't take any site seriously that doesn't have a hi-res picture of Jenna Jameson nearby. Frankly, I'm disappointed with projectA13.com... I expected so much more ...
kinda' like Arod himself. Nuff said.

by Ronster22 on Mar 20, 2007 2:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Grounders for Melky!
Okay, so Melky's got a year to learn how to take grounders at third. That gets his bat into the lineup EVERY day and saves about six trillion dollars that can be spent on pitching.

How is this a problem? :)

by scoutingbook on Mar 20, 2007 3:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow
Other than the fact that Melky is a slap-hitting outfielder trying to replace one of the top sluggers in baseball, that idea sounds foolproof. You know, Mo is getting up there, maybe we should just have Melky work on developing a cut fastball too. Please tell me, does scoutingbook.com have more of your wonderful ideas?
Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on Mar 20, 2007 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Silly silly me
Just when I held out hope that Cashman would step up and make the smart decision on the opt out issue, he shits the bed yet again. Seriously, now that Rumsfeld is out of office, Cashman may be at the top of the "How the Fuck Does This Moron Keep His Job?" list.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/jon_heyman/03/21/scoop.wednesday/index.html

Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on Mar 21, 2007 12:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hypothetical question
Let's say for argument's sake Cashman was/is willing to offer your boy an extension.  

In your opinion, how many years and how much dough would it take to get Arod to accept said extension without testing the market?

I know we've been here before,  but even if this was Rivera or Jeter we were talking about, I kind of like it that Cashman is basically saying he's not going to let anyone hold a gun to his head for more money. "if he doesn't like 3 yrs for $81 million he can go fuck himself" is a good message to send to these players & agents.  Christ, I know he has the right to do it, but seriously how much is enough?  (don't let this paragraph prevent you from answering the question up front - I really am curious to hear what you guys think it might take to keep him from taking other teams' calls)

by matthaggs on Mar 21, 2007 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It depends
I would think that you would have to offer the extension in one of two ways: you either have a gentlemen's agreement that you will extend him in three years in exchange for his declining to opt out or you let him opt out and basically replace the final three years. To to the latter, you would offer a lower average annual value since Tom Hicks would be off the hook.

Just for shits and giggles, I think you offer him 5 years/100 M if he fails to opt out or 8 years 140M if he opts out. Either way, you have to make some overture to try and keep the guy and not lose him for a lousy draft pick. He has the Yankees over a barrel right now and they need to realize that. They read the contract before the trade and, unless they hired wellblessed to review it, they understood this was a possibility. Now they just have to fix it. Also, extending him now would tell the fans that they are retarded and should shut the fuck up, which is long overdue in the Bronx.

Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on Mar 21, 2007 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Obviously, I have more confidence in Cashman.....
than you do, but I don't think he's just going to let him walk like that without a fight after sticking his neck out on the line for him this past off-season and refusing to trade him.

That wouldn't make a damn bit of sense -- but then again -- it didn't make a damn bit of sense to bid so much cabbage on Kei Igawa either.

Heyman is certainly one of the better baseball writers so his reporting is usually pretty accurate, but I just can't see Cashman sticking up for A-Rod the way he did and then turn around and watch him go somewhere else next year.

by anaconda on Mar 21, 2007 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe Heyman
He is pretty snarky, but pretty damn accurate and this column contains direct quotes.
Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on Mar 21, 2007 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yikes
A gentleman's agreement with Scott Boras? The same guy who called Theo last summer and said, "psst, JD Drew is opting out if you offer him something good. You didn't hear that from me." ?  That guy would slice your belly open he saw you swallow a quarter.

You can bet he'll be making similar calls about Arod.

If there is anyone who desperately needs to shut the fuck up, it's #13. Not the fans.  And if you think he has an image problem now, wait until he publicly announces that $81 million isn't enough for him. Can't wait for that one.  

If the '05 version shows up here again, he'll be fine.  Remember the curtain calls and the "MVP" chants?  I do.  

by matthaggs on Mar 21, 2007 2:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Damn
I guess I fanned on the reply button with the above.  My bad.

by matthaggs on Mar 21, 2007 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That cuts both ways
A-Rod would be hated in NY, no doubt. But the Yankee fans would have an equally bad image problem for incessantly, irrationally and unmercifully booing the best player in baseball. We are already known as pricks and this merely solidifies that theory.

If A-Rod opted out to play in Anaheim and winds up breaking Bonds' record and/or reaching several other historic milestones I think the only place that will fault him is New York. Besides, he will be able to spin his opt-out as a happiness issue and not a money issue, espeically when he takes less in AAV in his new deal; I guarantee you that he won't get 81M in the first three years of his new contract so it will be pretty easy to say that he left because of the absurd treatment he received.

It is a sad, sad situation overall. The fans are completely to blame here and Cashman can step up and remedy the situation. The fact that he chooses not to do so is just further evidence of his rampant incompetence.

Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on Mar 21, 2007 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it depends
on how this season goes for him.  If he puts up another dud (and by his standards, there's no question last year was a dud) and has another playoff flameout, then he will leave town with his tail between his legs.  

And he can break all the records he wants somewhere else, but if he never wins it will leave a giant ink stain on his legacy.  It will be the first question everyone asks him for the rest of his life.  

On the other hand, if he has a big year, and a few big moments during a playoff run, he can leave here defiant and tell New York to go screw themselves.

Playing the happiness card won't work because he has already stated several dozen times how happy he is here.  

If the clause in his contract did not exist, he would not be seeking a trade from the Yankees.  Therefore, the reason he might seek to leave the Yankees would be for one reason and one reason only:  more dough.  

And I'm sorry, but a guy who announces that $81 million isn't enough for him would be disliked in more than one city.  

by matthaggs on Mar 21, 2007 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can see those scenarios too
I guess he just won't be as villified in other places as he will be in NY. At least we seem to agree that he is going to bail out on NY unless our retarded GM pulls his head out of his ass.
Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on Mar 21, 2007 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They will win
with or without him.  
Great Success!

by ReLaunch on Mar 21, 2007 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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