Matsui

by marcbouch9 on Dec 6, 2007 12:22 PM EST Comment 39 comments

The Toronto Sun and NY Post are reporting that the Giants and Yankees have discussed Hideki Matsui. This is probably very early on and his full no-trade clause should complicate matters, but it is interesting nonetheless.

I am really interested to see who the Giants would be willing to part with for Matsui. I have a proposal in my mind, but I'll save it until I feel like embarrassing myself.

Update [2007-12-6 17:26:22 by marcbouch9]: 3:45 p.m., from Jayson Stark • A source says the Giants did call the Yankees about Hideki Matsui. They're offering their starting pitchers (Tim Lincecum, Matt Cain or Noah Lowry) for bats, but they are just exploring to see if there is a match. Matsui has a full no-trade clause, and it isn't known whether he would waive it to go to San Francisco or anywhere else.

Update [2007-12-13 19:36:00 by marcbouch9]:Sources report that the signing of Rowand may mean that the Giants are out of the OF bat market. Not sure why. They're not good at baseball. But, the White Sox are reportedly still in the market for an OF bat and may dangle Paul Konerko to get one. My question is: what do you think of Konerko at an extra year at $1M less per year for Matsui? We need another RHB and a 1B. He is both. But, that may take us out of the Teixeira sweepstakes next year. Your thoughts?

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C'mon, dude,

this is PA. It's all about embarrassing yourself. Let's hear it.

I always feel pressure. What I don't have is fear. -- El Duque

by LateInningRelief on Dec 6, 2007 12:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

If I must

Matsui and Kennedy for Lincecum.

Nuke the whales. Save Phil Hughes!

by marcbouch9 on Dec 6, 2007 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

thats reasonable

maybe even kennedy, matsui and horne for cain and linecum? haha that would be awesome

by Soriano NY 12 on Dec 6, 2007 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I said it was embarrassing

Once I thought about getting Lincecum, I thought of flipping him in a deal for Teixeira. I have been diagnosed with Hot Stove Fever.

My take on Lowery: not great numbers in a pitcher's park. Buyer beware.

Nuke the whales. Save Phil Hughes!

by marcbouch9 on Dec 6, 2007 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

If anything

I think Matsui and Kennedy is overpaying for just Lincecum. No need to include Kennedy unless we're getting Cain or Lincecum back.

How about Cain and Sanchez for Matsui and Kennedy? Failing that, how about Matsui for Brian Wilson? It'll lead to an endless stream of Michael Kay puns (Wilson gives Yankees good vibrations?), but it'll be worth it if he can keep his 6H/9IP and 2.6:1 K:BB ratio.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Dec 6, 2007 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know

Lincecum is pretty incredible. Cain and Sanchez would work.

I think we could do better than Wilson for Matsui.

Nuke the whales. Save Phil Hughes!

by marcbouch9 on Dec 6, 2007 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Devil's advocate

Our 35-year old fourth outfielder with a bad knee, little range, and a no trade clause?

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Dec 6, 2007 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

noone needs to pretend to be the devil's attorney

on this blog...

Eleven wins in October...

by Edwantsacracker on Dec 6, 2007 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

OK, Keanu

San Francisco has a massive void in LF, no legit power threat at any position, and the need for any type of "star" to fill the same LF void left by Barry Bonds. Matsui can solve those problems.

SF has a huge Asian population (30% of 750K+ people), is getting a arguable bargain with Matsui at $26M over the next two years, as he was more productive than Carl Crawford, Travis Hafner, Justin Morneau and Barry Bonds last season. Kennedy is a major-league ready pitcher who has performed consistently great at every level.

How's that?

Nuke the whales. Save Phil Hughes!

by marcbouch9 on Dec 6, 2007 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

race card!

30% asian is about right but, 20% is actually chinese. 1.47% japanese in san fran.

by tombradylikesdudes on Dec 6, 2007 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I know

and that is why I limited it to "Asian" for the sell! Seriously, though, the Giants need something to make people come to the park with Bonds gone.

Nuke the whales. Save Phil Hughes!

by marcbouch9 on Dec 6, 2007 5:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Abraham

floated the idea of Matsui/Prospect for Noah Lowry, whose numbers aren't that stellar in the NL - 4.03 ERA, 1.38 WHIP, .259 OBA. They'll only get worse in the AL East.

by docgonzo on Dec 6, 2007 1:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Oh God, No!

Lowry is a soft-tosser, and I can hear Cashman during the press conference already:

BC: Thank you everyone. Suzy, here's a crying towel. I know you Hideki were close.
SW: (muffled weeping and gnashing of teeth)
BC: At this time I would like to announce the newest member of the Yankees family, Noah Lowry.
Before we take any questions, let me just say he passed his physical, and did break 64mph on the JUGS gun at the stadium.
Bergen Record: So it's safe to assume he's not a blower?
BC: Oh, God, yes. I throw harder. However, it's important to know that it's all about placement and movement.

Muffled gunshot rings out ... moments later Pfisty is taken into custody. Just before being placed in the cruiser, Pfisty is heard saying "I exercised my demon--that short little, balding bastard with the Napolean complex. I can die a happy man.

"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will

by Ronster22 on Dec 6, 2007 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Well, this is weird...

I dreamt that very same thing last night.

Damn you, Pfisty!

I always feel pressure. What I don't have is fear. -- El Duque

by LateInningRelief on Dec 6, 2007 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

and

he hid the gun inside his copy of the Martha Stewart Living issue about the flying squirrels.

"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by bxgrl1 on Dec 6, 2007 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Interesting thought

ESPN is reporting that 5-7 teams are interested in Alexei Ramirez - we all know that the Yankees are one of those teams. Word is he can play second or some outfield position. Moving Matsui to SF for pitching might be a good proposition if we can land this guy, provided he's all that, something I have no clue about. Anyone have numbers on him?

by docgonzo on Dec 6, 2007 3:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

From baseballamerica on Ramirez

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=597

by Nicco on Dec 6, 2007 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Lincecum

or Cain is a pipe-dream.

Cashman probably won't trade away Kennedy just to get back a 22 year old pitcher.

I propose a 3-way deal: Yankees, Giants, Reds

Yankees:

Give up Matsui + cash + one of White/Marquez

Get 1B Joey Votto from Reds

Giants:

Give up one of Lowry/Sanchez + Hennesey

Get Matsui + Cash

Reds:

Give up Joey Votto.

Get Lowry/Sanchez + White/Marquez (maybe both?)

Fills the Yanks' 1B hole, gives Reds starters for their rotation/pen, and the Giants get a middle order bat.

The Giants probably can't pry away Bruce/Votto/Encarnacion without giving up Cain/Lincecum.

The Yankees can't pry away Votto without giving up one of the big three.

But in a 3-way deal, everyone gets what they want. The Reds might want a bit more but... whatever. They have a logjam at 1B/OF.

by randomize on Dec 6, 2007 4:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Matsui Trade

I do not understand a proposal of Matsui + Kennedy for Lincecum. Matsui had bad knees last year, but he still had around 25HR/100 RBIs. Last time I looked, I did not find many LFs with this kind of production. Matsui will have this kind of production wherever he goes. SF must fill a hold left by Bonds, so they might overpay a little. I contend that there is no reason to include IPK on this. I would say Matsui + Marquez might get this deal done. I am not sure Matsui will approve this deal though. Anyone who played for Yomiuri Giants and NYY may not want to play anywhere else.

by yankeesintexas on Dec 6, 2007 4:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Yes...

because Sabean's dumb enough to move a 22 year old ace type pitcher who throws 95-100, with a good change and killer hammer for a 33 year old OF with bad knees, 13 million dollar contract and a prospect who's WHIP, K/9 have all declined through the years.

... well it is Sabean so I guess asking wouldn't hurt.

by randomize on Dec 6, 2007 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Given his track record

specifically sending Boof Bonser, Joe Nathan and Francisco Liriano for AJ Pierzynski, I would expect him to listen.

Nuke the whales. Save Phil Hughes!

by marcbouch9 on Dec 6, 2007 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

True :)

I'd seriously offer him Melky, Matsui, cash, Horne and Marquez and see if he bites for Lincecum.

Timmah is amazing :) and at worst would be a shut down closer.

by randomize on Dec 6, 2007 7:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I would offer him as much as

Matsui, Kennedy, Marquez and Betemit for Cain. MAKE THIS HAPPEN CASHMAN. GET CAIN OR LINCECUM.

by malkmusisgod on Dec 6, 2007 7:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Cain

would be really hard to pry away.

He's younger, less injury prone and has better #s than Timmah.

by randomize on Dec 6, 2007 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

fdsfasdf

I mean, I'd take either one. Hard to be picky in this case.

by malkmusisgod on Dec 7, 2007 12:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Look at his number from the minors

http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=30846

If you told me them, I wouldn't believe you.

Nuke the whales. Save Phil Hughes!

by marcbouch9 on Dec 6, 2007 7:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You don't have

to sell Lincecum to me. I'm the guy promoting a Cano for Lincecum swap around here.

The kid is sick... I got to watch him this summer in Cali.

Matsui + Horne + Marquez + Melky + 10 million in cash.

2 starters, and 2 OF with plenty of cash.

by randomize on Dec 6, 2007 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Did the Yanks read my Feinsand inerview?

I told Mark I was down on Matsui. I'd love to get some pitchers other than Lowry for him...

by John Amato on Dec 6, 2007 7:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I hope so!

A couple names I have heard floated for him were Brian Wilson and/or Jonathan Sanchez. They look pretty good.

Nuke the whales. Save Phil Hughes!

by marcbouch9 on Dec 6, 2007 7:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

matsui..

..has been particularly disapointing in the post season. But he's still got a lot of pop in his bat and i bet he's still got a few good years ahead despite the knees. Too bad we can't dump the giambino instead.

by BobbyNYC on Dec 6, 2007 10:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Something to think about

Good Morning, Giants fan here. Thought I'd shed some light on Lowry, Cain and Lincecum. To those who say Lowry couldn't hang in the AL, you're probably right. However he didn't pitch that bad against you guys this year. Jeter 0-2 & BB, ARod 0-2 & BB, Cano 0-2.

June 24 vs. NYY 5.2 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 5 BB, 2 SO, 0 HR
gamelog

Another thing Matsui or Cano isn't going to land Cain or Lincecum. The Giants are looking for position players who can hit in the middle of the lineup and would be under contract for 3-5 years that are ready to play in 2008. Preferably right handed batters, being that left handers have a difficult time putting up power numbers in our ballpark.

by Cainer on Dec 7, 2007 3:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

How does

Cano not fit that description?

He's essentially = Alex Rios but younger.

The Reds, Yankees and Giants are set up perfectly for a 3 way trade.

Lincecum to Yankees.

Matsui + Cash and Joey Votto to Giants

Horne + Lowry + Marquez + White + Miranda (1B Yanks) to Reds.

Reds get a decent haul for Votto.

Giants get two middle of the order bats on the cheap.

Yankees get a power starter.

by randomize on Dec 7, 2007 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Cain proposal

I would be willing to trade as much as Matsui, Kennedy, Betemit and Marquez for Cain. Matsui and Betemit would be better than any hitters you have now, Kennedy would be your 3rd starter (with big upside) and Marquez is definitely a good pitching prospect.

by malkmusisgod on Dec 7, 2007 12:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Why does anybody mention Cano

when discussing trades? He's on the verge of being the best 2B, if not infielder, in the AL. Nobody in their right mind would trade him - it'd be too large a gap to fill.

by docgonzo on Dec 7, 2007 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Um, what?!

The Yankees already have the best infielder in baseball. Cano is nowhere near close to being teh best infielder in baseball. Miggy, Pujols, Cabrera, A-Rod....

Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on Dec 7, 2007 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs