$653,400,000 off season?

by KevinV on Dec 1, 2007 12:31 PM EST Comment 44 comments

This is purely speculative at this point. But based on the way things are going, this seems to be how things might fall out. The NYY could spend more or a little less, but this should be in the ballpark.

AROD: $280M/10 + $30M+ in HR boni.
Rivera: $45M/3
Possada: $52.4M/4
Petite: $16M/1
Santana: $150M/6
Rowand: $60M/5
Wang: $4M in arb (not sure about this one)
2 Relievers: $12/3 + $8/2 (guess)

That's $653,400,000. Yikes.

That should give them a $123.5M starting line up, complete with a $13M 4th outfielder.

That will go nicely with their relative bargain of a $56.4M starting rotation and $28M or so bullpen.

Add on another $4M or so for the rest of the bench and you are looking at a payroll of around:

$225,000,000

There's your NYY tradition.

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Just sayin'

I'd far rather Jones than Rowand. And it's not even close.

River Ave. Blues
Yanks and prospects

by PinstripePowerhouse on Dec 1, 2007 12:48 PM EST reply actions

Jones

is not the defender he used to be and Rowand has the attitude and work ethic we need, but is a product of a contract year in a bandbox. If we do opt for either, please let it be short term.

Phil Hughes will own you.

by marcbouch9 on Dec 1, 2007 2:11 PM EST up reply actions

Good point.

I think the length, much more than cash, is the thing NY needs to avoid.

I don't have a very good feel for he way either of those guys is going to go now. I think they won't get sorted out until after the Santana and Miggy situations get taken care of.

by KevinV on Dec 1, 2007 5:54 PM EST up reply actions

If either

signs before that is settled, they have a poor agent. How could you possibly commit to a deal, unless given a ridiculous amount like Torii Hunter, knowing that the Yankees may need you to fill a void? Not trying to be a high-and-mighty Yankee fan and imply they would want to be Yankees, but because we sling cash like Pacman Jones in a strip joint.

Nuke the whales. Save Phil Hughes!

by marcbouch9 on Dec 1, 2007 6:15 PM EST up reply actions

Hah.

I'd love to see lil' Stein "Make it Rain" at one of these signing press conferences.

by KevinV on Dec 1, 2007 6:41 PM EST up reply actions

i want

Jones for 1 year, 12-14 mil with team option.. until Jackson or tabata is ml ready

by Soriano NY 12 on Dec 1, 2007 2:48 PM EST up reply actions

He'll get more than one year n/t

by SenorSwanky on Dec 1, 2007 4:58 PM EST up reply actions

Absolutely

Jones is still great, Rowand is a one year wonder at best.

Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on Dec 1, 2007 5:39 PM EST up reply actions

Huh?

Andruw Jones is still great? I can't believe you said that. He's barely a .260 hitter who averages just about 130ks a year. Last season he made $14m, and you can bet he's looking for a hefty raise. But at 31, the Yankees would be getting "fat Elvis" not the guy we all remember from the World Series.

Jones is going to want 3 years minimum at at a five-tool player price. At best, he's a two-tool player (power and defense--although even that has sagged, some).

"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will

by Ronster22 on Dec 3, 2007 10:14 AM EST up reply actions

I think last season

was an outlier. The list of CFers who play gold glove defense and jack 35 bombs/year is short. Compared to Adam "King of Peskiness" Rowland, going for Andruw is clearly the better option and it isn't even close.

Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on Dec 3, 2007 10:18 AM EST up reply actions

We don't need ...

an aging cf with weight problems when help is maybe a year or two away. If we move Cabrera--then slide Damon in the slot for 3 games a week.

There is no way I commit to three years with a guy who appears to be on the slippery slope to Dunkin' Donuts.

"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will

by Ronster22 on Dec 3, 2007 10:31 AM EST up reply actions

Your eyes deceive you

I am not necessarily advocating signing Jones, but I would definitely do a short term deal. Look at the defensive matrices, Jones is not slipping very much if at all defensively. If they can go less than three years on Andruw and then trade Matsui for something in the bullpen, that would be my first choice.

Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on Dec 3, 2007 10:37 AM EST up reply actions

Hrm

I think teams would have interest in Matsui if he is healthy.

From a CLE perspective, I wouldn't mind picking him up if NY ate a part of his contract.

What besides bullpen help would you want?

by KevinV on Dec 3, 2007 11:07 AM EST up reply actions

I'd trade Matsui

and 10 million over 2 years for a couple AA prospects (say a pitcher and a bat) and an MLB ready reliever.

Matsui has a no-trade, so you'd need to extend him.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Dec 3, 2007 11:59 AM EST up reply actions

That's reasonable

I don't think CLE would extend him at his age. Maybe we could come to some sort of an agreement with Matsui to maybe give him more money instead of extending him. 10M from NY would might make that palatable.

How does this sound:

David Dellucci
AAA outfielder: Shin Shoo Cho
AA pitcher Jim Ed Warden
RP Ed Mujica
He was good in a short ML stint in 2006. Was effective, but unlucky in AAA in 2007 (1.17) WHIP.

by KevinV on Dec 3, 2007 1:26 PM EST up reply actions

Nope

We've ridden the Dellucci train before, and while I'd take him back, I'd want to reduce the money we send with Matsui in exchange for taking on his $8 mil/2 years.

Shin Shoo Cho is interesting if we trade Melky, but I'd think that Gardner would be ahead of him on the depth charts since we'd need a backup center fielder. If the Yanks FO saw him as starting material. What happened to his SLG in 2007?

Warden is nearly 30 years old. Not even close.

I'd give Mujica a second look. He seems to have gotten through the minors by pounding the zone (82 walks in 330IP against 285K). And since switching to the pen he's allowed fewer hits than IP at each level (except MLB).

So here's my counter proposal:

Mujica- he goes right into the competition for a spot in the MLB pen.

Tony Sipp- LHP spent the year at AA (44H+21BB/60IP. He got a fastball (91-94)slider/change combo that Baseball America says makes him a potential closer if his command improves.

Josh Rodriguez- I've seen him listed at SS, 2B, and 3B. The slugger played 133 games in A+ where he put up a .262.351/.460 line. He's got a strong arm with elbow issues. 3B seems to make the most sense if he stays in the Indians system, since Cabrera and Peralta figure to block his progress in the middle infield.

Those three for Matsui and $10 mil over 2 years. You can give that up without subtracting from the 2008 Indians.

What say you?

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Dec 3, 2007 4:04 PM EST up reply actions

Interesting counter proposal.

Mujica is still in the deal.
You can have Josh Rodriguez.
I'd prefer you to take Dellucci in the deal. We will not need another vet OF with the acquisition of Matsui. I'd be willing to get take 2M off of the 10M cash you offered.
Tony Sipp has a real chance to contribute to the Tribe in late 2008. We can't afford to inculde 2 potential 2008 bullpen depth pieces.

Here are a couple alternatives:

Reid Santos
or
Luis Perdomo

Your turn.

by KevinV on Dec 4, 2007 10:15 AM EST up reply actions

Interesting

Santos had good numbers at 24 in AA.
Pedromo was better at 23 in A.

I'd take Santos.

I'd take Dellucci off your hands, but he was horrible last season (.230/.296/.382) at age 33.

If we take him and downgrade to Sipp, no cash involved.

So you get to choose:

Sipp, Mujica, Rodriguez and 10 million/ 2 years.
or
Mujica, Santos, Rodriguez, Dellucci and no cash.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Dec 4, 2007 1:36 PM EST up reply actions

OK for get Dellucci then

Well if your reaction Dellucci is that harsh, we can just forget about including him. I was just trying to save a few bucks, so no biggie.

How does this sound?

* Mujica, Santos and Rodiguez for Matsui and 10M/2.

by KevinV on Dec 4, 2007 2:57 PM EST up reply actions

It's not that harsh

I'm just seeing it as a salary dump for the Indians, and we're already talking about subsidizing more than a third of Matsui's remaining contract.

I also know what the papers will say if I let the Indians (who beat us in the playoffs) turn Dellucci into Matsui for $4M and a couple prospects.

How about if I switch it up on you, in light of the Yanks' resent deal with the Nats:

Sipp, Santos and Rodriguez for Matsui and $10M/2

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Dec 4, 2007 6:01 PM EST up reply actions

No can do.

I'd have to say Sipp is not available. He is not only a potential part of the 2008, but a possible long term late inning option for us.

So I think it comes down to:

* Pick 3 from: Shin Shoo Choo, Santos, Mujica and Rodriguez.

by KevinV on Dec 6, 2007 9:51 AM EST up reply actions

With the depth Matsui gives us

plus the money you want me to send, plus the revenue we'd lose from the Japanese advertizing (and it's been all over the Stadium the last few years), I don't see a combination that makes sense.

With the addition of Jonny A., we don't really need another righty in the pen, and shipping out Matsui and cash for just prospects won't fly either.

Maybe this is why so little happens at the Winter Meetings...

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Dec 6, 2007 10:51 AM EST up reply actions

Hrn...

Yeah it is surprisingly difficult to get something done like this.

OK so if you don't need another righty in the pen, how about a LH SP? Cliff Lee is available if you have any interest. Ben Francisco could probably be had too.

But if not those 2, this is probably going nowhere.

by KevinV on Dec 6, 2007 11:35 AM EST up reply actions

Going nowhere

and running out of margin. The only reason to take on a starter would be to trade one of the ones we've got. Cash and Hank have said we're not going to do that.

Oh well, on to the Giants rumors!

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Dec 6, 2007 2:44 PM EST up reply actions

I just did

and he has fallen off big time defensively. He was a bit better last year, but not good in 2006.

Nuke the whales. Save Phil Hughes!

by marcbouch9 on Dec 3, 2007 11:29 AM EST up reply actions

Didn't we

have Delucci not long ago. What aging star did we land on that deal? Actually, I think we just let him go.

Matsui isn't likely to be moved because he was injured. He needs to show teams that he's healthy before we'd get anything close to respectable for him.

"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will

by Ronster22 on Dec 3, 2007 2:13 PM EST up reply actions

We did have Delucci

got him in the Mondesi trade.

We traded Sheffield coming off the wrist issue, where he had played 39 games that year, so it's a possibility that Matsui could be moved.

Nuke the whales. Save Phil Hughes!

by marcbouch9 on Dec 3, 2007 2:35 PM EST up reply actions

Mike Cameron?

Rosenthal suggested Mike Cameron, who is obviously a much lesser offensive player, but would be much cheaper in terms of money and years.

He does have a 25 game suspension to serve, but bat him 9th and let him catch everything that doesn't go over the fence in center. Give Damon a few starts a week in center so Giambi can DH more.

Not ideal, but not terrible either.

by matthaggs on Dec 1, 2007 6:30 PM EST up reply actions

agreed with..

..letting damon start at center.. allowing giambi/duncan/matsui to take turns at dh. how many runs is his weak arm really going to save? my guess is not enough to lock in another aging veteran on the bloated payroll.

by BobbyNYC on Dec 1, 2007 6:45 PM EST up reply actions

If they

sign Rowand or Jones to a big contract after trading Melky, I might be done with this team.

That ARod contract is such a waste.

by randomize on Dec 1, 2007 12:56 PM EST reply actions

If you go to your profile

page, you can write your true feelings about the A-Rod contract into your tag line. Then you'd save a little time writing it into all your posts.

;)

I always feel pressure. What I don't have is fear. -- El Duque

by LateInningRelief on Dec 1, 2007 1:53 PM EST up reply actions

wait

what are his true feelings about the contract? I forget. ;)

"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by bxgrl1 on Dec 2, 2007 7:28 AM EST up reply actions

If you're done with this team...

...you're not a true Yankee. ;)

by SenorSwanky on Dec 1, 2007 2:27 PM EST up reply actions

Hooray Money!

$$$$$$

by imastoopidbtch on Dec 1, 2007 3:25 PM EST reply actions

Hah.

Now that's the right attitude. There should signs at the stadium with that printed on it.

by KevinV on Dec 1, 2007 8:13 PM EST up reply actions

I don't

see why u care about money. I know i don't pay the bill

resign Jaret Wright

by yankeechaser on Dec 1, 2007 4:55 PM EST reply actions

Re: "There's your NYY tradition"

I've always found it extremely hypocritical for the Red Sox or their fans to complain about payroll.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

by anaconda on Dec 1, 2007 5:56 PM EST reply actions

I agree.

BOS is nearly as bad as NY. Going in to this off season, I thought of them as the new NYY. They no doubt have the cash to buy whatever they want and they do so frequently.

But if things go down the way that I laid out above, lil' Stein will have shown that no one out NYY's the NYYs.

I think NY fans should just embrace it and not try talk up things like tradition. In the eyes of the rest of baseball the NYY are the hometown hero buying villians. Just embrace it.

by KevinV on Dec 1, 2007 6:15 PM EST up reply actions

You've got to be kidding me

"Not try talk up things like tradition"?

What sports team founded before 1980 doesn't talk about their tradition and their history?

The Yankees have a great tradition of running their business better than any other team. Up until the mid 60s the Yankees had a great farm system along with their payroll.

Take a look at footage of Yankee Stadium in 1996- there were seats to be had. The front office has done a great job making Yankee Stadium a destination. That's part of a great organization- which we've traditionally had.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Dec 2, 2007 12:45 AM EST up reply actions

right

other teams fans are always "sick of" hearing about our "tradition" and 26 championships. Gee, I wonder why.

"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by bxgrl1 on Dec 2, 2007 7:26 AM EST up reply actions

and

we have embraced it. We're the MFY, MFer.

Sorry, it's that whole Boogie Down attitude that tends to go along with our "tradition."

"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by bxgrl1 on Dec 2, 2007 7:28 AM EST up reply actions

I'll stop referring to our traditions

when I no longer have to hear Red Sox fans talk about their team. At all.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Dec 2, 2007 9:22 AM EST up reply actions

and why

do we need to stop talking about traditions--EVER? Have you ever walked through Monument Park WITHOUT getting goosebumps? Have you ever sat in the stands and looked up at the setting sun on the facade on a Saturday afternoon and not gotten goosebumps? Have you ever gone to batting practice and been able to see Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle, Maris etc on the field? Have you ever walked through parts of the Stadium, away from the concession stands, while a game is in progress and just been able to "get" it?

I've experienced all of that. And I will never stop talking about it. EVER. It's part of being a MFY fan and it's our RIGHT to talk about it. No one else has it. It's OURS.

"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by bxgrl1 on Dec 2, 2007 4:52 PM EST up reply actions