Who should the Yank give up for Miguel Cabrera?

by John Amato on Nov 7, 2007 2:39 PM EST in News Comment 61 comments

Brian Cashman met with the Marlins at about 6 p.m. last night at the GM meetings. No offers were made, but a source with knowledge of the situation said the Marlins made it clear that the Yankees would have to include either Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain or Ian Kennedy in any trade for Cabrera, something the Yankees are not willing to do.

The Yankees would likely offer a deal involving their next tier of prospects, which includes Alan Horne, Humberto Sanchez, Ross Ohlendorf and Jose Tabata. The Marlins have evidently let it be known that he's available, so we're looking into it," Hank Steinbrenner said. "But everything is really very preliminary."

Cabrera can flat out hit and at 24, he's a budding superstar. That being said, who should the Yanks part with to get him? Joba, Hughes and IPK are pretty much untouchable. I'd consider trading Hughes or Kennedy for a Johan Santana/#1 starting pitcher but that's it. However, you do have to give up something very good to get this kind of young hitter unless it's a complete salary dump. I saw Tabata play in Spring training and he's going to be a stud. He's not even 20 (08/12/1988) yet and his line at Tampa this past year was:

.307, 5 HR's,54 RBI's, 16 2B's, 15 SB's, and a .763 OPS.

His power numbers were down, but he's got good power and a strong throwing arm. The Yanks second tier of prospects are very good also so we'll see. I have seen in recent years that the rest of the GM's want much more from the Yanks for their players. Arizona wanted four top players including Soriano back in '03 for Schilling and when the Yanks said no to Soriano, they traded him to Boston for Casey (who?) Fossum and a couple of other no name prospects. They never came back to the Yanks to hear another offer. It was quite surprising...Expect more of the same treatment.

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My Proposal

Would include anyone in the following group:

Alan Horne, Humberto Sanchez, Ross Ohlendorf, Eric Duncan, Tyler Clippard, Jeff Karstens, Matt DeSalvo, Chase Wright

I would not trade IPK, Joba, Hughes, Tabata, Betances, Brackman

However, the Marlins would want at least one from so called untouchables group especially IPK, Hughes or Joba. In this case, we would need to give up IPK although I really like his understanding of pitching.

Let's hope that we get Cabrera. And also hope that the Twins do not trade Santana and do well next season so that they cannot trade him during the season.

by yankeesintexas on Nov 7, 2007 3:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Ive said this in one of the other threads

I dont see the value in trying to replace the best player in the game (because you dont want to pay him the money) with what would have to be by definition a lesser player, and not only have to eventually pay him, but give up some of your best young talent as well.

I can get behind the idea of turning over a new leaf: The yankees arent going to get jerked around by free agents anymore, we are developing our own talent and the Arods of the world can get their money elsewhere. However, trading away that young talent for Cabrera does not make sense under that approach.

Call up charlie hayes and lets see if all these "true" yankee fans are right with their "we won without him" argument.

by seanp23 on Nov 7, 2007 3:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Punishing the Bombers....

No one is going to help the Yankees. I remember the Schilling deal. That wasn't the first time someone tried to rape our farm system and then ended up accepting WAY less from another team for that player. You only have to go as far back as Josh Beckett. They wanted everyone from Cashman's first born to A-Rod's DNA for Beckett and then took Hanley Ramirez, Anibal Sanchez and a pair of twos for Beckett, throwing in Lowell to dump his salary. While the Fish got Ramirez (and by all accounts he is the real deal)and Sanchez had the no hitter (he tore up his shoulder and hasn't hasn't been seen since) the Red Sox got Beckett on the cheap.
No team would do that if the Yanks were involved.
Every single call at the trade deadline started with "Hey toss in that Hughes kid and we can talk about XYZ player..."
Seriously? Hughes for Gagne?
No team is going to willingly help the Yanks. They'd rather give players to Boston.
Screw 'em. I'd rather go with the farm hands than pay rape pricing for trade bait. The perception that the Yankees would do something stupid for a short term gain needs to change. Forget Miggy and stick with Betemit.

by ThePocketgeek on Nov 7, 2007 3:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Yanks

Becket (and an apparent salary dump) for possibly the best shortstop in the game and a few other prospects is hardly unfair. The Red Sox gave up a lot. Sure, they didn't have to give up a lot to get Schilling, but we didn't give up anything to get Abreu either. It goes both ways.

"It's great to be young and a Yankee"

by stillmonster on Nov 7, 2007 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Uh,

Beckett on the cheap? Hanley Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez? Those were the cream of the Red Sox farm system. Hanley Ramirez very well may be a Top 5 player in baseball. Sanchez was great at every level until his injury. I think you're off base on this.

Chien-Ming Wang+Phil Hughes+Ian Kennedy+Joba Chamberlain = the future

by marcbouch9 on Nov 8, 2007 9:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

The Gagne and Schilling trades lend more credence to your argument, but Boston gave up a ton in the Beckett deal.

Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on Nov 8, 2007 9:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

IPK's untouchable status is absurd

You are talking about an unspectacular yet polished college pitcher. That is very replaceable especially when you have a chance to get one of the best hitters in baseball. I think a package of IPK, Melky and anyone not named Hughes/Joba/Tabata is perfectly reasonable.

Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on Nov 7, 2007 3:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I agree with

Pfisty. with the depth of pitching in the system he is the most replaceable of the "trinity" , use him to get a 24 yr old stud hitter that can play third? sure.

by beantownbosoxh8er on Nov 7, 2007 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The bottom line

is this: Do you really want to look back and think that you missed a shot to get a superstar over Slappy McReserve and Ian Freakin' Kennedy?

Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on Nov 7, 2007 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The problem is

that I don't think Kennedy and Melky would be enough.

The Marlins' demands would probably have to include Joba or Hughes. If that's the case, I say the Yanks should pass on Cabrera.

Here's what Kepner says today:

"Executives from other teams say the Marlins would demand a center fielder and one or two premier young pitchers in return for Cabrera. In the Yankees' case, that would mean Melky Cabrera and Phil Hughes or Joba Chamberlain, perhaps with Ian Kennedy thrown in.

No way will Cashman make a move for Cabrera if he has to give up Hughes or Joba.

by anaconda on Nov 7, 2007 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Of course

I am just saying that anyone who would balk at a package in which Melky and IPK was the main pieces is out of their mind. Frankly, I don't think that Florida is that desperate or that stupid, but the "IPK is untouchable" folks have me scratching my head.

Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on Nov 7, 2007 7:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

IPK

I absolutely agree. Especially if one of these younger guys becomes even a decent number 4 starter (Betances, Brackman, Horne, whoever), I am more than happy to trade IPK to get Miggy. And stop with the weight issue about Miggy. Yeah, he's fat. Someone needs to get him into shape, but he can flat out hit. He is a top 10 (probably top 5) hitter for the next 10 years. If he can't play 3rd, move him to first, or right field. This guy is TOO GOOD to pass up on. Of course, if its Hughes or Joba, I wouldn't want to make the trade.

"It's great to be young and a Yankee"

by stillmonster on Nov 7, 2007 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

His weight is definitely an issue

He may be able to hack it at his weight when he's 24 yrs old, but what happens when he's close to 30?

He does need to slim down. His health may be affected down the road if he doesn't.

It's a legitimate issue if some team is going to mortgage the farm for a player of his caliber.

by anaconda on Nov 7, 2007 8:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

IPK Untouchable are you kidding

IPK Untouchable are you FREAKING kidding we need to trade this guy before he gets EXPOSED. He is not a top level prospect like Joba and Hughes. I think that we should ship him off to the Marlins with a bow wrapped around him. And throw in Johnny Damon as a extra piece.

by imyrick on Nov 7, 2007 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

actually,...

naming IPK as untouchable is a pretty good idea if you think about it.

general managers around the league know who joba and phil are but IPK only made three starts last year. talking about him in the same breath as those two elevates his status and makes him more valuable in the market. would you rather cashman talk about IPK the same way that we do?--what team is going to want that?

by tombradylikesdudes on Nov 7, 2007 11:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You're not giving enough credit

to other GM's in the league. With the possible exception of Jim Bowden and Wayne Krivsky, the GM's around the league have done their homework on Yankee pitching prospects if that's what they're interested in. No GM in the league is going to consider our ramblings on the value of IPK as dispositive on how valuable IPK really is.

by Willton on Nov 8, 2007 12:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You forgot Bill Bavasi

But your point is dead on. Just because the Yankees have included IPK in the same breath as the other two doesn't mean he belongs there.

Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on Nov 8, 2007 7:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I tend to agree with you

On this. I think that the draft picks for Arod alone we could take two pitchers, assuming he doesn't go to one of the 15 worst teams in MLB, and one of them could be as good if not better than IPK. I think that is highly probable.

Chien-Ming Wang+Phil Hughes+Ian Kennedy+Joba Chamberlain = the future

by marcbouch9 on Nov 8, 2007 8:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

It's better to give up a hot prospect

now for a proven young stud...I really loved IPK's game against Toronto, but that's one game. Cabrera is going to be a 35/120 player for 10 years...

by John Amato on Nov 7, 2007 5:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Take a pass ...

We can't replace Arod as someone already said. Frankly we don't need Arod, we need Scott Brosius. We need a guy who fits into the mix, who plays steady third and gets timely hits. That's what we need, and those guys are out there.

We need to continue to develop our pitching talent. As we have already seen, and painfully I might add, pitching wins pennants and WS titles. Since we've gotten away from the "no superstars" formula we haven't hung any championship banners.

Find a Scott Brosius type, bolster middle relief, sign Posada and Mo and roll the freakin' dice on the holy trinity (and hopefully Pettitte). Leave Mr. Pudgy alone.

"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will

by Ronster22 on Nov 7, 2007 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He may have won rings while he was here

but Scott Brosius sucked. Hopefully even Brian Cashman is smart enough to realize that we need players who are better than Scottie B.

Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on Nov 7, 2007 7:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

BRING BACK CHARLIE HAYES!

"It's great to be young and a Yankee"

by stillmonster on Nov 7, 2007 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Didn't suck

He drove in 90+ batting 8th in a lineup. He was steady but not spectacular with the glove. He could run alittle, bunt alittle and yes, hit alittle.

My point is we don't need an a-tier player--especially if it costs us part of the trinity. We'e won championships with b-tier players, and can do it again.

We don't need to mortgage the future.

"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will

by Ronster22 on Nov 8, 2007 10:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Giving up Melky and IPK

is hardly mortgaging the future. Instead, it is wisely selling high on overhype.

Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on Nov 8, 2007 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

It is was just those two

I think just about everyone would make the deal.

But it would likely be those two plus Hughes or Joba, and I would hesitate before doing that.

Trading pitchers for a hitter never seems to work out great for the team getting the hitter.

by matthaggs on Nov 8, 2007 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Of course

I am assuming that IPK and Melky would be the primary pieces with one or two lesser prospects included.

Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on Nov 8, 2007 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

IPK

Personally, I'd trade Hughes over IPK, but that's because I believe IPK has a beter grasp on pitching at this stage in his career. No one knows if he will continue to grow in intellect and knowledge of how to pitch and become the next Greg Maddux (I certainly believe he has the potential to do that).

Hughes has a great arm, but his ball seems flatter to me and more hittable. However, one can't dismiss is stats which are sick. Still, I'd take a guy with pitching intellect, hellacious movement and a 91mph fastball over a guy with a 94mph straight fb and good hook anyday.

I also don't believe Florida or Tampa or anyone else with talent to spare is going to do the Yankees a favor by letting a Cabrera, or Kazmir go for a .275 punch hitter, and an unproven prospect. As their organizational histories have shown, neither of these organizations are MENSA certified, but I don't believe even these bastions of fiscal futility would part with senor chubby for what you suggest.

"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will

by Ronster22 on Nov 8, 2007 12:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Not saying they would

I also think that Florida would pass on such a mediorce package, but I was just pointing out that the people who think that IPK should be untouchable and/or a package with Melky and IPK is too much to offer are batshit insane.

Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on Nov 8, 2007 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

My point ...

I don't think we need to give up the ship for a proven guy because I don't think we need to. Cabrera will be a FA in two years when he's 26. We can plug a second tier guy in and not lose any of the talent that we have collected.

Who knows we might be able to pry Tejada, or Marte from Cleveland for mid-level prospects?

"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will

by Ronster22 on Nov 8, 2007 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Hughes

is the #1 pitching prospect in baseball. He is going to be a stud for a long time. I would only include him in a deal for Santana or Peavy. Kennedy is good, but I think you can find his talent level in the draft every year.

Chien-Ming Wang+Phil Hughes+Ian Kennedy+Joba Chamberlain = the future

by marcbouch9 on Nov 8, 2007 8:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Thank you

For answering that. It made me scratch my head. Brosius was a perfect fit for that team and was very productive. 271 runs created from a Gold Glove 3B and #8/#9 hitter in 4 years is more than you could hope for. Eric Chavez averaged about 10 more runs created per year in the last 4 years as a cleanup hitter as 3/4/5 hitter at $9M+ per year.

Chien-Ming Wang+Phil Hughes+Ian Kennedy+Joba Chamberlain = the future

by marcbouch9 on Nov 8, 2007 8:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think I agree with Mr. Amato

I remember too many hot prospects who busted. Let's look at this on an upgrade, down grade basis. IPK pencils in as our #5 starter for the upcoming year, unless Andy comes back. If Andy comes back Ian is spot starter, long relief. OK that's this year. IPK figures to move up the list as Moose and Pettitte retire. But some new prospect, perhaps rehabing now, perhaps not drafted yet, may be able to bump in front of him. If that happens we have really lost nothing. Remember the sore shoulder in September. There is a risk his career could be injury prone. There is also a risk he can be one of those great pitchers who do not throw hard. I do remember Hunter, John, Glavin, Scotty McGregor, etc etc. Then I'll look dumb. It's a gamble. What about the rest of the deal?

Melky is a nice player, but not a special one. In the medium term we can replace him.

For a stud like Cabrera we can go IPK and Melky. I do not have a Melky replacement plan, But I feel we just need a placeholder so we can wait for The minor leaguers to grow up (Tabatha, Gardner, Jackson, etc.) If however there is a third body in this trade it had better be someone with little or no chance of making the big club this spring or next.

No, on a 3 year or 5 year balance I think I'd swap, contingent on being able to extend Miggy.

A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)

by Cbeck3 on Nov 7, 2007 7:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Long term

I agree, Miggy for IPK makes all the sense in the world.

But until I hear who the secondary names are I'm not sold.

To me, dealing IPK means we're not trying to contend this season ('08). Kennedy is the only one of the Trinity I'm counting on for 34 starts and 180IP. We don't really know how deep into the season Phil Franchise can go, and Joba we know far exceed 130.

Is Cashman prepared to half-ass the final season in Yankee Stadium, the final year of his contract, and the first year with his handpicked manager at the helm? The year after the Red Sox won the World Series?
I wouldn't be.

So I'm not going to bite unless the Marlins will accept a package of Melky, Horne (2007 EL PItcher of the Year), and somebody else.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Nov 7, 2007 11:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I sure hope..

we're not counting on IPK to make a run at it. If he was dealt, I could only assume that would make a run for a good starter to fill the slot. I think Cashman has something to prove this year, but those are just my thoughts.

by AKJoe on Nov 8, 2007 12:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I sure hope..

by AKJoe on Nov 8, 2007 12:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The best articles I've read

suggest that in head to head matchups, pitching is 3 times as important as hitting.
So for every run above average IPK prevents, Miggy Cabrera would need to provide 3 runs to be of equal value.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Nov 8, 2007 12:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The other Miguel

Miguel Tejada, would work better if they could get him.

When you factor in who the Yanks would have to give up to get Tejada, and who the Yanks who would have to give up to get Cabrera, the Yankees would have a better overall team for the next two years with Tejada I think.

The NY Times says Tejada is very available, and he has already agreed to play 3rd if he can get the hell out of Baltimore. And to top it off, the Times said the O's might be interested in Farnsworth!

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/08/sports/baseball/08yanks.html?ref=sports

by matthaggs on Nov 7, 2007 9:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

If theYanks get Tejada,

he's not playing 3B; Jeter is. I don't care how bruised Jeter's ego gets -- Tejada is the better defender, and it would behoove the Yankees to put one of their best hitters at one of the safest positions on the diamond.

by Willton on Nov 8, 2007 1:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

That makes sense

but he's not going to do it.

If he didn't do it for Arod, he's not going to do it for anybody.

by matthaggs on Nov 8, 2007 9:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

the point being that you can't hold onto a

prospect from a deal for a young, proven talent. Proven is the key...I love IPK and I hope he stays, but Cabrera will hit for 12 years at this level. Are we sure that IPK will pitch as well? I'd rather get a stud oitcher for IPK, but choices have to be made and Miggy could be a huge piece for the Yanks for a long time. I can't rememebr a worse free agent class before...

by John Amato on Nov 8, 2007 3:43 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Now

IPK could be a great pitcher for ten years and the Yanks can find suitable replacements for 3rd and 1st in another year also...Choices have to be made...But using a hot prospect to acquire a stud is something I don't dismiss. Joba has already proved he's unhittable out of the bullpen so even if he struggles like Gagne did as a starter, he's a lock in the pen. SO he's untouchable..

by John Amato on Nov 8, 2007 3:46 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

The asking price

could just simply drop once(if) the sox sign Lowell.
that would Take the Yankees biggest rival out of the picture and they don't need to give up the farm for Cabrera. the fish wont have another attractive dance partner.

by beantownbosoxh8er on Nov 8, 2007 7:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

The Dodgers already have a better package

to offer and I don't see how that would change if Boston dropped out.

Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on Nov 8, 2007 8:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

if Boston drops out

The amount of suitors changes , sure the Dodgers could have a great package to offer and so do the Yanks , the less teams that are in on the bidding the lesser the package gets for the player.
The Fish want the sox and Yanks to go head to head on the bidding, without one or the other ,they have less leverage.
I would rather see Cabrera in LA over boston. Boston would have some serious firepower if they landed him.

by beantownbosoxh8er on Nov 8, 2007 8:33 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

LA's package

can blow both the Yanks and Sox out of the water, especially if Buchholz/Ellsbury and Hughes/Joba are off the table. If Boston or NY drops out, that won't change the fact that the Dodgers have much more to offer.

Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on Nov 8, 2007 8:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I feel that

the interdivisonal bidding would drive the price more so then having Yankees and Dodgers bidding.

by beantownbosoxh8er on Nov 8, 2007 8:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

conversly I don't feel

that the Yankees and sox are still in the "cold war" arms race , but that the fact of keeping a big gun away from someone in your divison would squeeze a little more out then you would like to give.

by beantownbosoxh8er on Nov 8, 2007 8:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Marlins Trade

One of IPK/Hughes/Joba, Melky, H. Sanchez and Tabata for Miggy AND D Willis. Try to sign Wood and Gagne for bullpen help. Maybe try for Hunter.

by BobbyNYC on Nov 8, 2007 10:37 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Yikes

Why in the hell would we want D-Train? He is probably the most overrated player in baseball (just nudging out Varitek in my book). I won't even address the "gut the farm" package you propose.

Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on Nov 8, 2007 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Agree

That's a ridiculous proposal.

Hank is quoted in this morning's NYTimes as saying the trinity is untouchable for Cabrera or any other non-pitching entity. He demurred nicely on the idea of one of them being available for a superstar pitcher. So they've obviously chatted about possibilities like Santana.

I would trade IPK plus Melky plus one or two other prospects for Cabrera but it seems like the Yankees won't give up pitching for hitting.

Instead of Hank's "transitional" speech, he now seems to be saying that only solid pitching will get them past the ALDS (DUH) and they are not giving up pitching for hitting. Pitching for pitching might be another story.

"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by bxgrl1 on Nov 8, 2007 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

the idea is...

..you take a chance that D Willis isn't going to continue to spiral down. That way you get a starting pitcher for a starting pitcher. And we get a third basement.

by BobbyNYC on Nov 8, 2007 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

wait a second...

...the proposal is "ridiculous" but then you propose pretty much the same thing... but just for miggy and without getting a starting pitcher to replace IPK.

"I would trade IPK plus Melky plus one or two other prospects for Cabrera but it seems like the Yankees won't give up pitching for hitting."

Am I wrong? How is that not the same thing? You want IPK, Melky and prospects for Cabrera.. and I'm saying IPK, Melky and prospects for Cabrera and D. Willis. No? Where are we disagreeing?

by BobbyNYC on Nov 8, 2007 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You conveniently forgot to mention

that you would also include Tabata and Humberto. That is "I wear a hat made out of tin foil to keep the demons out" crazy.

Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on Nov 8, 2007 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Thank you

Yes, the ridiculous part is the amount of farm hands you (Bobby) want to give up.

"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by bxgrl1 on Nov 8, 2007 9:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

also

we don't want Dtrain

"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by bxgrl1 on Nov 8, 2007 9:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

tabata and humberto..

...do we really know what tabata can do??? and humberto just came off surgery so he seems like a question mark too...

by BobbyNYC on Nov 9, 2007 9:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Conversely

we definitely know what D-Train can do and that is the major problem. He fucking sucks.

Fear the Evil Empire

by pfistyunc on Nov 9, 2007 9:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Whitney here: "Crack is whack!"

Actually, any deal involving D-train would be akin to taking crack. The guy has had two down years in a row, and looks to me like his spiralling downward.

Stay away. Stay far, far away.

A better play would be to go after Kazmir just in case Pettitte pulls the plug.

"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will

by Ronster22 on Nov 8, 2007 10:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

a couple of years ago

this was batted around and it was universally agreed that Dtrain could not weather the circus that is NY baseball. And that when he was an up and comer. It was widely discussed that his personality is not fit (ie too naive or nice) for NY.

Now that he's declining, there's no viable reason to have him in NY.

"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by bxgrl1 on Nov 8, 2007 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

jscape...explain pls...

Your post about pitching to hitting is a 3:1 ratio? My first reaction is the ratio should be higher; pitching is much more "important" than that. Tell more.

What Levine said..."one year with a base pay cut".............. What Levine meant: "You're fired, Joe".

by mickey07 on Nov 8, 2007 11:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Research

This books, which I have only read about because I'm not willing to shell out 70 bucks for a used copy, uses some calculations to figure out the relationship between my team's RA and RS vs your team's.

Basically, in any half of the ball game (tops or bottoms of innings) it averages out that .75 RA + .25 RS= result.

When I have more time tonight, I'll run through some examples.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Nov 8, 2007 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs