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November 29, 2006 -- The Yankees winning the posting bid on Japanese lefty Kei Igawa yesterday doesn't make their rotation whole. In fact, several talent evaluators raked their heads when informed the Yankees' winning bid was $26 million for a pitcher many believe is no more than a fourth starter.

However, the 27-year-old lefty, who will likely land a four- to five-year deal in the $4.5 million per season range, is going to be in the Yankees' rotation.

The Yankees ensured that by drowning the other bids, one of which was a $15 million effort by the Mets. The Hanshin Tigers accepted it yesterday. The Yankees have until midnight Dec. 28 to sign Igawa, or he has to return to Hanshin and the Yankees get their money back.

Getting a deal done shouldn't be a problem. Igawa wants to pitch for the Yankees and is represented by Arn Tellem, who has a strong relationship with the Yankees since his client list includes Hideki Matsui, Mike Mussina and Jason Giambi.

"It would be an honor for me to help put him in pinstripes for the 2007 season,'' Tellem said of Igawa.

Acquiring Igawa, who was 14-9 with a 2.97 ERA last year and 86-60 with a 3.15 career ERA, doesn't mean the Yankees are flush with starters behind Chien-Ming Wang and Mussina. Randy Johnson is 43 and returning from back surgery. Carl Pavano hasn't pitched since June of 2005 due to many ailments.

With Igawa at the back of the rotation the Yankees still need a starter, but it doesn't appear in the final days of November that they will sign Barry Zito, Gil Meche, Ted Lilly or Jason Schmidt. Andy Pettitte would be welcome, but he hasn't decided if he wants to pitch.

They could put together a package headed by Melky Cabrera and Humberto Sanchez to lure the Marlins into moving Dontrelle Willis out of Miami.

As for Igawa, the Yankees bidding that much money on him after putting in a $32 million bid on Matsuzaka, who went to the Red Sox for a staggering $51 million, is puzzling since Matsuzaka is considered a No. 1 and Igawa isn't.

However, with the free agent market booming, the Yankees likely saw it as part of doing business. And the bid doesn't count against the luxury tax.

"We have been following Kei Igawa's very successful and accomplished career in Japan and we are excited about the opportunity to begin the negotiating process with him,'' GM Brian Cashman said in a statement.

"I am very pleased to have the rights to sign him for the Yankees,'' George Steinbrenner said through PR guru Howard Rubenstein.

According to a scout familiar with Igawa, don't expect Igawa to knock anybody's eyes out.

"He isn't overpowering, his fastball was at 88 to 91 mph range. I heard he has thrown harder, but I didn't see it," said the scout, who saw Igawa pitch for the NPB All-Stars against the MLB All-Stars recently in Japan. "His breaking ball was inconsistent. David Wright hit a homer off a breaking ball I thought was going to go out of the (Osaka) dome. His best pitch is a change-up. He is a serviceable guy, but not a Matsuzaka."

Wright gave Igawa the benefit of the doubt because he was pitching on six weeks' rest. In six innings he gave up five hits, two runs, fanned four and walked six in a 7-2 MLB victory.

"That day he had an average fastball, between 88 and 90 mph, an average slider and a very good change-up," Wright said. "He located pretty well. But not pitching for six weeks his endurance wasn't where it would be during the regular season. He shut us down the first time through the order and that was a pretty good lineup we were (using)."



I really don't get this move at all by Cashman and I'm wondering if he's been taking his medication.

$26M for his rights plus the cost of his actual deal is an awful lot of cabbage to fork over for a guy that doesn't appear to be an upgrade over anyone else on the current market.  

They seemed to want to rid themselves of the Jaret Wright option because he sucks and they would save a few million on top of it.  For reasons I supported, Cashman scoffed at the idea of paying the ludicrous salaries and commitment to guys like Lilly, Meche, and Zito, but then turn around and make a ridiculous bid on a guy that has not exactly set the world on fire in Japanese baseball?

Doesn't make sense.   I simply don't understand it and I'm hoping a deal doesn't get worked out for one reason or another.

 

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I wonder if that shouldn't be
Meet the Newest Soon-to-be-Ex-Yankee

86-60 in Japan and this guy's worth 26mil just to barter?

I know they're all mad about the Matsuzaka bid, but this one doesn't make sense to me, either.

by detroit yankee on Nov 29, 2006 6:16 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

What the DailyNews
said is that with they are planning to offer him a 4 year deal worth 16 to 17.  They think he is the same pitcher as Ted Lilly and the combined price (bidding, contract) will be similar to Lilly.  The bidding though doesn't go towards Luxury Tax, payroll.  I still don't agree with getting this guy.

by ReLaunch on Nov 29, 2006 7:00 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

In that case
I'd rather have Lilly. At least we know he does well against the Sox.
You play the game to win the game, and not to worry about what's on the back of the baseball card at the end of the year. - Paul O'Neill

by potroast on Nov 29, 2006 8:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not so fast....
He still is 27. Lilly& company are older maybe a little more proven but still older. The money spent is on younger talent, and there is still Rasner and Karstens if this guy needs to go to the pen.
  This guy could be another Shigatosi Hasagowa, nothing overpowering but knew how to get guys out.
 

by beantownbosoxh8er on Nov 29, 2006 8:28 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

This is not so bad...
The puzzling thing is not the we signed a successful 27yr old lefty, but that he is immediatley assured a spot in the rotation.  This guy should pitch AAA for at least a few months.

I hate to say this, but I get depressed everytime you guys talk about Karstens and Rasner like they are a worthy fall bacl position.  Man, I would hope 200mil could go a bit further then two mediocre at best picthers.

by dbm20th on Nov 29, 2006 10:15 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The way you get to a 200M payroll
Is by grossly overpaying shitty pitchers like Igawa. He is going to cost the Yankees 10M a year when it is all said and done and there is no guarantee that he will be any better than Sanchez, Rasner, or Karstens. In fact, he is much more likely to be worse. Sheesh, when did Peter Angelos start running the Yankees too?
Hey hey, ho ho, Brian Cashman's got to go!!

by pfistyunc on Nov 29, 2006 10:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

what's bad about 200 million?
I don't get what's wrong with the Yankees payroll being over 200 million. If that's what they can afford that's fine.

And don't tell me it hits us Yankees fans in pocket, because every baseball team out there charges a lot for tickets, beer and hot dogs.

Are MLB's econonmics f'd up? Yes, though I don't see how that is the Yankees fault.

The problem with Angelos is he overpays for a few players then decides to cheap out at other positions. You can't say that's what the Yankees are doing.

Cashman's got to go? Why, which GM would you rather have?

by collink on Nov 29, 2006 4:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Two things
First, there is a problem with the Yankees payroll being that high that no one talks about: They have to pay a ton of money in luxury tax, which helps other teams keep their own players. As such, there are less free agents available to sign.

Second, I firmly believe that Cashman has worn out his welcome in the Bronx by displaying complete incompetence when it comes to constructing a pitching staff and to a lesser extent a bench.

Hey hey, ho ho, Brian Cashman's got to go!!

by pfistyunc on Nov 29, 2006 4:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Luxury Tax and Cashman
I'm not a fan of the luxury tax as is, but the Yankees know the rules going in and I'm sure act accordingly. It doesn't seem to have hurt them so far.

On Cashman, he's made mistakes every GM has but in whole I think he's done a good job. Pavano seems to be his biggest mistake. I don't care much what some Yankees get paid, but I could see the arguement that RJ and Wright were also big mistakes because they aren't worth their salary.

But I think you have to put Wang, Cano, Cabrera, Abreu, Matsui, Damon, A-Rod down as positive work by Cahsman. Also finding guys like Chacon and Small were good short term moves.

I can't see any other GM in the league that is far and a way better. Beane is probably the best, but not available.

by collink on Nov 29, 2006 6:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Also,
at the time, almost everyone thought getting Unit was the right move.  When they signed Pavano, as much as I hate to admit it, I thought it was the right person to get.  There have been some unfortunate breaks.

by ReLaunch on Nov 29, 2006 6:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Schuerholz
is the best GM in baseball, so he is far and away better than Cashman too.
Hey hey, ho ho, Brian Cashman's got to go!!

by pfistyunc on Nov 29, 2006 8:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well
What they were saying is that the 25 mil does not count toward luxury tax.  Not that I agree with this signing mind you.  This way they have the 200 mil salaray but not as much of it is taxed.

by Greenfuzz on Nov 29, 2006 6:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We are all missing this part...
"They could put together a package headed by Melky Cabrera and Humberto Sanchez to lure the Marlins into moving Dontrelle Willis out of Miami."

That would take care of the rotation issues.

by dbm20th on Nov 29, 2006 10:17 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

True, but
that doesn't make signing Igawa any less atrocious.
Hey hey, ho ho, Brian Cashman's got to go!!

by pfistyunc on Nov 29, 2006 10:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm indifferent to that part
I'd like to get Willis, but he's not going to be a savior, and Melky is our outfield backup while Sanchez was the closest to major league ready talent we got for Sheffield.
I'd like the deal if it happens, but I'm not going to be distracted by a rumor that is purely speculation ("they could").
Have faith in the Yankees my son. Think of the great DiMaggio.

by jscape2000 on Nov 29, 2006 12:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Willis
is not an ACE.  He is a number 2 starter.  The Marlins have done a great job of hyping this guy.

by ReLaunch on Nov 29, 2006 12:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's just speculation
And will NEVER happen at that price.
Off the Facade
You say "sell-out," I say "opportunist."

by PinstripePowerhouse on Nov 29, 2006 12:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

To put things in perspective
At the beginning of the offseason, people thought $26 million would have won the Matsuzaka bid.

This offseason is crazy.

by onehitwonder on Nov 29, 2006 10:22 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The posting system is crazy
It definitely needs to be re-worked.  It's absurd for teams to be bidding $50 Mil just to negotiate.  It just goes to show how much money some of these teams have (of course Yankees included).  

by danbrady143 on Nov 29, 2006 12:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Feeding frenzy
The Bosox cried poverty during the trade deadline last season and then they pay more than the GNP of any number of small countries for the rights to talk to a guy about the possibility of playing MLB.

I'm thinking the whole Japanese player thing is overhyped. I mean how many "Japanese Superstars" have actually flourished in the US. I can name two.

The Sox were determined to show their fans that they were committed to winning, and now that they have won the rights, they are beginning to realize that to sign him is akin to AROD signing his deal with the Rangers--they were paralyzed from doing anything else.

It's really shaping up to be a beautiful thing.

by Ronster22 on Nov 29, 2006 2:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

japanese signage
The Yankees don't have all those advertisements in Japanese up as a lark. They're making a good amount of money off of the Japanese market. The $26 mil is not much to the Yankees, they probably already had a $30 million Japanese Buyout line item in their budget for next season.

From now on the Yankees will always have a Japanese player on the roster. And probably a player or two from other Asian countries.

I for one think it's a good thing.

Also say this Igawa starts off hot, and Matsuzka starts off a little slow well then that automatically puts more heat on the redsox and their import.

When the day comes that the Yankees pass on a player I really like because they don't have enough money then I'll start bitching about the way they spend money

by collink on Nov 29, 2006 4:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Already had the Japanese revenue
See Matsui, Hideki.
Hey hey, ho ho, Brian Cashman's got to go!!

by pfistyunc on Nov 29, 2006 4:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yes
I know about him. My point is I think the Yankees are going to continually look to Japan and Asia for talent. Not just one or two guys but lot's of guys.

And in the process of getting this talent they're going to spend a lot of non-salary money to sign these players.

by collink on Nov 29, 2006 4:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fine, but
why not spend it wisely? I am all for tapping foreign markets for talent, but there is no reason to flush money down the toilet. Can anyone find a single person who thinks that posting 26M for Igawa is worth the money? Some Japanese players are worth huge posting fees and it is a way to circumvent the luxury tax, but there is no reason to just spend money for the sake of spending money.  
Hey hey, ho ho, Brian Cashman's got to go!!

by pfistyunc on Nov 29, 2006 4:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Could this be a Cashman bluff?
I remember before the Damon signing when he said he would have been perfectly comfortable starting the year with bubba crosby as the center fielder. Just because they won the bidding doesn't mean they have to sign this guy, and the salary he commands plus the bidding price would probably equal about what lilly's going to get, which is probably still more than he deserves.
Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and f*** the prom queen.

by Edwantsacracker on Nov 29, 2006 6:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Dear God I hope so
That will be the only thing that will keep this from being an unmitigated disaster.
Hey hey, ho ho, Brian Cashman's got to go!!

by pfistyunc on Nov 29, 2006 9:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"unmitigated disaster"?
Are you saying that signing this guy will destroy the Yankees forever? Because that is what "unmitigated disaster" means. It would be easier to have a discussion without all the hyperbole.
Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier. The cigars taste better. The trees are greener. --Billy Martin

by garp on Nov 29, 2006 10:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You get my point
I would consider completely wasting a shit ton of money on a player who is mediocre at best to be a disaster.
Hey hey, ho ho, Brian Cashman's got to go!!

by pfistyunc on Nov 29, 2006 11:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't get it
Who's being bluffed and how?

by flipster on Nov 29, 2006 10:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Japanese player/ the posting system
This kid is two years away from free agency (I believe), so Cashman can say, this is what we're willing to spend on you, take it or go back to Japan.  Cashman is under no obligation to sign him.
Have faith in the Yankees my son. Think of the great DiMaggio.

by jscape2000 on Nov 29, 2006 11:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He was bluffing
Damon and his agent when he said he would be comfortable with bubba, maybe there is some trade on the table, but he feels the team is asking for too much?
Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and f*** the prom queen.

by Edwantsacracker on Nov 30, 2006 12:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He'll sign him
Cashman's plan is to plop him in the 5 hole in the rotation. Who do we have there now? Pavano, Karstens, Rasner, Lidle--oops. My point is we don't have anyone we can count on anyway, so why not take a chance?

We aren't going to lose prospects. I watched some footage of Kei on youtube, and he reminds me of Al Leiter ... Don't know if that's good or bad.

by Ronster22 on Nov 30, 2006 11:03 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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